Published by Andy Neckar
P.O. Box J Hico, TX 76457
Vol. 7, Number 6  Nov.-Dec. 2001
Editor-Andy Neckar

Inside This Newsletter
1-NYC OK's Prayer in School __ for Muslims

NYC OK's Prayer in School __ for Muslims
Thursday Nov. 15, 2001; 8:48 a.m. EST

  That anti-religion bastion of political correctness, the New York City public school system, has quietly sanctioned prayer in schools __ but only of you're a Muslim who wants to worship during Ramadan.

  In a talk radio exclusive, New York's WABC Radio has been airing reports on the school system's special program for Muslims for weeks. Late Wednesday, Schools Chancellor Harold Levy finally confirmed that the religious double standard indeed exists.

  "Christian parents would probably love to have a place where their children could pray during school hours," WABC newsman George Weber said Thursday. "They don't... But the Muslim kids are getting their very own prayer room in New York City public schools."

  "The New York City public school system is going to accommodate Muslim students allowing them space for prayer" during the five week Muslim holy season of Ramadan, reported Weber's partner, Babita Hariam.

  "In a statement, though, school's Chancellor Harold Levy adds the prayer 'cannot interfere with classes or infringe on other students"', she explained.

  That's not exactly what the Chancellor's office told the New York Post, which reported Thursday that Levy spokeswoman Margie Feinberg told them Muslim students will be allowed to cut classes in order to pray and then reschedule them later.

  [Editor]  Never mind the comments you will make that “other students can’t be barred” from the prayer room.  The FACT is that it was set up for Muslim students to pray during Ramadan.

  These Muslim students will be praying to the god Allah.  The god of Ishmael.

  NOTE—This is not the god of Ishmael AND Isaac as George W. says.  SEE—Allah had no son, and salvation from an eternity in Hell comes only through the “Son”.

  I Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

  I Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

  Who but the spiritually blind, cannot see that Christians and Muslims DO NOT worship the same God, but by different names?

  Things that are different are not the same.

  The SON has a NAME folks.

1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

  You got it!  JESUS CHRIST is the Name of the SON of GOD. 

ONE MORE TIME. Allah had no son
(An excerpt from George W. Bush address to the U.N. Sat. 11/10/01)

“They dare to ask God’s blessing as they set out to kill innocent men, women and children. But the God of Isaac and Ishmael would never answer such a prayer. And a murderer is not a martyr. He is just a murderer.” (

  [Editor]  Folks, I believe President Bush is doing more to rush the world into the New World Order and the One World Religion that any other man in history. This United Methodist man is bringing people of  different faiths” together by his immense influence and public speeches.

  The devil himself is using this patriotic leaders “bully pulpit” to advance “his” agenda.

Listen; read closely; and weep for God’s children.

The Bush Administration has quietly begun to refer to Palestine as a “state” instead of as the “Palestinian Authority”. President Bush used the term in his speech to the U.N. General Assembly Saturday and Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday, the change was "appropriate."

In his speech at the opening day of the 56th U.N. General Assembly, Bush said the U.S. was "working toward the day when “two states”, Israel and Palestine, live peacefully together within secure and recognized borders as called for by the Security Council resolutions."

[Editor]  Isaac and Ishmael; “both” sharing the Promised Land?
Gen 17:19-20 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 17: 21But my covenant will I establish with “Isaac”, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

From a Harrier pilot, USMC. Harsh, but I think this needs to be passed on.
(From a subscriber)

  Dear America,
When I opened my e-mail this morning I had about twenty forwards of the article written by Gordon Sinclair, the Canadian who so eloquently praised the United States. What most of you do not realize is that this commentary was written many years ago. Those of us in the Military Service have known about it for a long time. Now, Americans are flooding the net with it as if it were new. It is not. When it was written most Americans didn't read it, because most Americans did not care.

  The tragedy that befell all of us on September 11th shocked America. America no longer feels safe. Many of you have said, "The government should have known! 30 Billion Dollars is spent on intelligence! What about the Military?"

  Just a reminder America, you voted our government into office. For years you allowed some dishonest politicians and twisted television media personalities to shape your ideas about the defense of our nation. Why? Because most Americans were too lazy to look beyond the three minute sound-bites on the evening news. Here's a news flash not being broadcast much, "On September 11th, America had the exact level of protection, both militarily and intelligence, that it was willing to pay for".

  Only yesterday the Congress and the Senate approved 40 BILLION dollars as a "Down Payment" to fight this War. A short time ago, our politicians said a 100 Million dollar increase for the Navy budget was substantial. In that same bill they ordered the Navy to conduct an 85 Million Dollar Study on...guess what America!? Missiles Defense?! No. Desperately needed parts for our fighter aircraft? Wrong again. Training for Navy Seals? Nah uh.

  They wanted Breast Cancer research. Yes, America, your elected officials decided that the US Navy needed more mammograms and less missiles. Was this an under the table sneaky move? No, it was right out in the open. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Navy both opposed it. A New York Senatorial Candidate (Yes, she's the one) was enraged that the Military would be so sexist and irresponsible to the needs of civilians and wanted the Navy to give the money back immediately! But the media paid it little mind. So, America paid little attention. Did any one ever watch CSPAN? Particularly when the Heads of our Armed Services essentially begged OUR representatives to give the Military more money to fight terrorism and maintain a strong defense? Did you see the debates by the Heads of the Intelligence Services that terrorism was the new threat? They told the committees of Congress that the CIA, the FBI, and the Service did not have the money to build the necessary intelligence networks in the areas where terrorists were being harbored. They warned again and again that there was clear and present danger within America's borders.

  America must have been watching one of the other 114 satellite channels. The Military said: "We need more money to maintain military readiness and Combat Training." America Answered : "What the Military needs is Sensitivity Training! You're all sexist homophobes! I saw it on 60 Minutes!" The Military said: "We need money to build ships, planes, tanks, and improve our technology. America still has credible threats throughout the world. Terrorism will come to America's doorstep." America Answered: "You're all part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. There is no more Soviet Threat! My Senator told me so! He/She says we do not need such a big military! You're dinosaurs trying to hold onto the Cold War! We need Social Programs!"

  The Military said: "We need to recruit more Americans into the military. We need to increase our force." America Answered: "You're not taking my kids! We're going to shut down the ROTC programs at our high schools and universities, because you discriminate against alternative lifestyles! ROTC teaches CHILDREN (under 21) how to shoot guns! You just want another Columbine! Rosie and Oprah say so!"

  The Military said: "We can't keep interfering in the civil wars of small insignificant countries. It wastes our time, expends our resources, decreases training, and demoralizes our troops. The men and women of the United States are Warriors trying to defend OUR nation, we are not the third world's police force."

  America Answered: "You heartless bastards! Can't you see the tear in the eye of that starving child!! There are flies on her face!? Get Moving! Jesse Jackson on CNN said that is what we pay you for!"

  The Military Asked: "Why isn't America enraged over the terrorist attack on the USS COLE that killed seventeen AMERICAN Sailors? How about the Air Force barracks bombed in Saudi Arabia? The embassy staffs in Africa? The Soldiers mutilated and dragged through the streets in Somalia?"

  America Answered: "We don't have time right now! We're busy defending Animal Rights! Our schools are handing out automatic weapons! The federal government is discriminating against cross-dressing Bolivian hermaphrodites! The police are all members of the Ku Klux Klan! The lack of Ozone is ruining my tan! If they cut deeper into Food Stamps those poor women will have to move down to Size 18/20 Channel dresses! AND THE WORST!

  Corporations are raising the prices of there products sooo high I might not be able to afford the multi-disc DVD Player for my 36'" digital ready TV! Besides, YOU GUYS ARE PAID TO DIE!

  So, America, while you sit on your couch or around your office coffee pots and ask, "Why did those terrorists kill innocent civilians? Why didn't they go after the Military?"

  Remember this America:

They already had but America didn't care. These Terrorists realized that they needed to kill American Civilians, and lots of them, before they could have their desired reaction from the people of this country. Well, now they have it.
The Sovereignty of God, and The Responsibility of Man.

  Is God a fool?  Does He give us foolish commands?  How can “irresistible grace” justify this command?

  Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

  WHY?  Are we idiots?  Sinners yes, but SOME of us are NOT IDIOTS.

If some are saved whether they like it or not, (irresistible grace) and others are condemned whether that like it or not. (predestinated to destruction—exempt from the offer of salvation) TELL ME W.H.Y?

  If YOU can’t tell ME why Mark 16:15, then I will tell YOU.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

  WHERE is irresistible grace NOW folks.  See-I believe in the God of the KJV Bible.  The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  I believe in the God Who is the Father of my Lord, Master, AND Savior, Jesus the Christ.  That’s Who I believe in.  I believe in HIM and HIS SON.

  Wanna know something ELSE about the God I believe in?

I Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and JUST to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

  You know the meaning of JUST?  NO, it ain’t JUST BECAUSE He wants to predestinate some of us to hell.


  NOW, does ANY of these meanings relate to IRRESISTIBLE?

  Wanna know something else?

  God LAWS are ALSO just.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

  Folks, Calvinism gets my goat.  I just can’t take it, and I will have NOTHING to do with IT.

  Let me put the matter THIS WAY. WHY did God send His only begotten Son?  Was it JUST BECAUSE He liked to see Him suffer?  Was it JUST BECAUSE God liked to see HIMSELF suffer?

  Is God some sort of incompetent, inept, extremist that He not only enjoys inflicting punishment on OTHERS, but upon HIMSELF too? I say GOD FORBID.

  Why did CHRIST have to DIE to create “programmed zombies”?  (irresistible grace) 

  Hey, MAN is not THAT dumb.  LOOK, man invented the computer, a machine that MUST do as we predetermine, and WE didn’t have to die in order to do this.

  2 Pet 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

  Why is God LONGSUFFERING toward us?  Why is He patiently waiting long-term for us to come to repentance?

  Why don’t your god give out this irresistible grace and GET IT OVER WITH?  Why does he endure longsuffering?  What is this?  A GAME?

  Why does your god lie like He does in trying to have you believe that He is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance. You Calvinistic people out there.  Why does YOUR GOD lie to you?  Why is He so contradictory?

  HEY-Don’t make God out a FOOL. He don’t like that.


Greetings Andy,
I think the difficulty in this subject grows out of the connection that exists between the omnipotent and sovereign God and finite and responsible men.  God's sovereignty and man's free agency are BOTH revealed in scripture and therefore BOTH should be believed.  And if we cannot reconcile them, it is not because they are irreconcilable, but because the subject is above our faculties.

  Predestination does not destroy free- agency, and it doesn't make men mere machines.  On the contrary, it establishes free-agency.  Men are free-agents when they act according to their inclinations.  Freedom of action is not opposed to necessity but to compulsion. A being may be necessarily holy or necessarily wicked, and yet a free-agent, no a free- agent for that very reason.  Thus, God is a free-agent though He cannot sin and Satan is a free agent though he can but sin.

  And so it is with men.  

  Did not Joseph's brethren act freely in their violence to him?  Yet God sent him to Egypt?  Did not Pharaoh act freely in refusing to let the Israelites go?  Yet God hardened his heart that he might not let them go.  Was not the curse which Shimei uttered against David the offspring of the bitter feelings of his heart?  Yet God told him to curse David.  Did not Absalom and his advisers act in an untrammeled manner in adopting the counsel of Hushai rather than that of Ahithophel?  Yet "the Lord had appointed to defeat the good counsel of Ahithophel, to the intent that the Lord  might bring evil upon Absalom" (II Sam. 17:14).  Did not the Jews act freely in crucifying Christ?  Yet He was delivered to them by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God.

  Your Calvinistic Sister,

  [Editor]  I must disagree with this statement of “necessarily”.  NO ONE is NECESSARILY holy or NECESSARILY wicked.  Some synonyms (words with the exact same meaning) for necessarily are; unavoidably; automatically; robotically; mindlessly; unconsciously.

  [God] Rom 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, “do by nature” the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew “the work of the law written in their hearts”, “their conscience also bearing witness”, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;).  

  [Calvinistic Sister] Did not Joseph's brethren act freely in their violence to him?  Yet God sent him to Egypt?  Did not Pharaoh act freely in refusing to let the Israelites go?  Yet God hardened his heart that he might not let them go.  Was not the curse which Shimei uttered against David the offspring of the bitter feelings of his heart?  Yet God told him to curse David.  Did not Absalom and his advisers act in an untrammeled manner in adopting the counsel of Hushai rather than that of Ahithophel?  Yet "the Lord had appointed to defeat the good counsel of Ahithophel, to the intent that the Lord  might bring evil upon Absalom" (II Sam. 17:14).  Did not the Jews act freely in crucifying Christ?  Yet He was delivered to them by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God.

  [Editor] “Did not Joseph's brethren act freely in their violence to him?  Yet God sent him to Egypt?”  I don’t understand what THIS has to do with predestined to destruction.  Yes, Joseph’s brothers acted freely.  Before I was saved I acted freely in sinning.  It wasn’t as if I HAD to sin.  I ENJOYED living in sin. I WILLFULLY sinned.

  Yes, Pharaoh acted freely in refusing to let the Israelites go.  He was a vessel that  “he himself” fitted to destruction.

  Fitted… synonyms again…”fixed; permanent; unchanging”. Pharaoh was “set in his ways”.  HE HIMSELF set himself in his ways.  He was hell bound anyway.  God knew this because of “foreknowledge” (to know beforehand what will take place/happen).

  SO-If Pharaoh let the people go after the FIRST miracle it would NOT have been because of a “change of heart”; it would have been because of “fear” of the God of Moses and Aaron.  NOW-God wishing to show His power, hardened Pharaoh, a ruler on his way to hell BEFORE God hardened his heart.  God did not “appoint” his heart hardened.  God merely used an EXISTING SELF-HARDENED HEART to accomplish his pleasure, which at that particular time was to show His power before the Israelis and Egyptians.

  God hardened Pharaohs heart so that He, God, could work more powerful miracles.

  Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

  Do you wanna know just WHAT hardens hearts?

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called today; lest any of you be “hardened through the deceitfulness of sin”.

  Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

  It was not only according to the will of God, but according to the counsel of his will, that He/Christ suffered and died; according to an eternal counsel, which could not be altered.

  God was WILLING that Christ would suffer and die.  God SO LOVED THE WORLD that He sent His only begotten Son.  God sent His Word, made flesh in the form of Jesus the Christ, for ONE reason.  TO DIE!  To pay a penalty that He, God, put on sin.  This was the WILL of God, because God is NOT WILLING that ANY should perish. (2 Peter 3:9)

  Determinate- definition…“fixed; clearly settled; determined.”

  God SINGLE-MINDEDLY and WILLINGLY determined this after the counsel of HIS OWN WILL.  God included NO ONE else in His decision. He planed this ON HIS OWN and according to HIS WILL.  He took no recommendation; suggestion; guidance; opinion; idea; or plan from ANYONE. He is sovereign.  He is autonomous; self-sufficient; self-governing; self-determining; self-regulating and independent.

  HIS WILL be done on EARTH as it is in HEAVEN.

  God intervenes in history/the ways of man so that His will plan is accomplished according to His schedule.

  Yes, God told Shimei, who knew all the wickedness his heart was privy to (1 Kings 2:44) to curse David to add to David’s oppression. God’s way of chastening his children.

Remember that God promised Abram/Abraham that his seed would inherit the land in which he was at that time sojourning. But God wouldn’t give it to him “right then” because the Amorites were not yet evil enough to cause them to be decimated/annihilated

  So-What does God do?  Does he “cause/appoint” the Amorites to “full iniquity?  NO-HE WAITS and leaves them in there sin.  THEY, THEMSELVES eventually degrade to FULL iniquity.

  Gen 15:13-16 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

  God always used an evil nation to punish the stiff-necked Israelites. God uses men and nations to accomplish His will. 

  He is using President George W. Bush to advance the end-times apostasy right now.  He KNEW BEFOREHAND, unlike most of us, what manner of man George W. was, and He is using his character for His purposes.

God uses Godly men for reverent purposes, and evil men for inflicting punishment on evil doers and disobedient Children.

  Next we will study on how can we know if we are saved, and once saved, if we are  assured of “eternal” salvation?

Once Saved-Always Saved? Or Once Salved and Lost Again

(Excerpts from UMC News Service-10/31/01)

Following the latest United Methodist Judicial Council decisions regarding gay clergy, a few things have become clearer to Bishop Elias Galvan, leader of the denomination's Seattle Area.

  First, statements made by two pastors regarding their sexual orientation are sufficient to initiate a review process of their ministerial standing and relationship to the Pacific Northwest Annual Conference, Galvan told United Methodist News Service on Oct. 30.

  The Seattle Area comprises the annual conference.

  Second, the bishop said it's clear that he cannot deny the two pastors ministerial appointments. "Therefore, they will be appointed immediately, as soon as possible," he said.

  Meeting Oct. 24-26 in Nashville, Tenn., the Judicial Council clarified for Galvan's conference the relationship between two passages of the denomination's Book of Discipline. The Pacific Northwest members had asked the church's supreme court for a declaratory decision on what they viewed as conflicting rules: One states that "self-avowed practicing homosexuals" should not be ordained or appointed to serve in the church; the other requires that all clergy members in good standing receive appointments. The two pastors, the Rev. Karen Dammann and the Rev. Mark Edward Williams, were deemed in good standing.

  In a lengthy and complex decision, the nine-member court ruled that the passages are not contradictory. Neither Williams nor Dammann was mentioned by name in the decision.

Williams is being reappointed pastor of his congregation, Woodland Park United Methodist Church in Seattle, Galvan said. Williams, who had served as pastor, was assigned to a different staff position at the church following his announcement at the Pacific Northwest Conference's annual gathering last June that he is a practicing gay man. The Rev. Bob Hoshibata, Seattle District superintendent, was named interim pastor.

  Negotiations are under way with Dammann for an appointment, Galvan said.

  Dammann had led a Seattle-area church in 1999 before going on family leave. In a Feb. 14 letter to the bishop, she asked to be taken off family leave and given an appointment with a local congregation. She also told the bishop that she was in a covenanted same-gender relationship. Galvan responded that he didn't see how he could give her an appointment without violating the Book of Discipline, but that her case would be handled through the appropriate process. During the annual conference clergy session in June, she was taken off family leave, effective July 1, and Galvan did not give her an appointment.

  A review takes time, and the Book of Discipline specifies a process designed to protect the rights of the person involved, Galvan said. "We're dealing with the lives of persons and their careers. We want to be careful and responsible and follow the Book of Discipline and be fair."

  [Editor]  Have you read the word, “BIBLE”, in this news report?  Have you read the word, GOD, or JESUS CHRIST

  You DO read words like “SUPREME COURT”, “BOOK OF DISIPLINE”, and “JUDICIAL COUNCIL”, though

  FOLKS, THIS is a MAN MADE RELIGION.  It doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with JESUS CHRIST.  I say Jesus Christ rather than God because salvation cannot be found in GOD.  God DOES save people, but ONLY through the PERSON and WORK of HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.

  There is NO SALVATION to be found IN GOD.  There is NO NAME UNDER HEAVEN by which man can be saved but the Name of JESUS CHRIST. (Acts 4:12)

  Salvation cannot be found in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  Salvation cannot be found ANYWHERE but in the PERSON & WORK of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.

  Notice that I include Jesus’ FULL Name here.  His title; LORD; His earthly first Name; JESUS; and His last name identifying WHO He is.  The CHRIST/MESSIAH/SAVIOUR.

  It’s a SHAME that MOST so-called Christians call Him Lord and treat Him as Santa Clause.  They want him only for what THEY can get out of Him.  They want HIM to serve THEM.

  They, and especially the United Methodist Church, I say this because this is a UMC news article; there are MANY other denominations like such. The UMC has not Jesus as Lord.  THEIR Lord, for THEIR objects of obedience are the RULE BOOKS of the UMC Conference, (Supreme Court-Book of Discipline; Judicial Council, etc) much like the Roman Catholic Church with their Traditions; Infallible utterances of the Pope, etc.

  You MUST NOT remain in a church that has its headquarters/ruling body in the depths of HELL

  THE UMC as a WHOLE is WHOLLY heading to HELL via a ONE-WAY ticket.

  If you remain IN THERE, I must wash my hand of you.  YOUR BLOOD will NOT be on MY HANDS.  I am innocent of the blood of these stiff-necked people. (Eze 3:18-21)


It Depends On Whose Hands It's In...

A basketball in my hands is worth about $19.
A basketball in Michael Jordan's hands is worth
about $33 million. It depends on whose hands it's in...

  A baseball in my hands is worth about $6.
A baseball in Mark McGuire's hands is worth 19
million. It depends on whose hands it's in...

  A golf club is almost useless in my hands.
A golf club in Tiger Wood's hands is a 4 Major Golf
Championship It depends on whose hands it's in...

  A rod in my hands will keep away a wild animal.
A rod in Moses' hands will part the mighty sea.
It depends on whose hands it's in...

  A sling shot in my hands is a toy.
A slingshot in David's hands is a mighty weapon.
It depends on whose hands it's in...

  Two fish and five loaves in my hands are a couple of
fish sandwiches. Two fish and five loaves in Jesus' hands
will feed thousands. It depends on whose hands they're in...

  Nails in my hands might produce a sore hand.
Nails in Christ Jesus' hands will produce salvation for the
entire world. It depends on whose hands they're in...

  As you see now it depends on whose hands it's in...
So put your concerns, your worries, your fears, your hopes, your dreams, your families and your relationships in God's Hands because,
It depends on whose hands they're in.

We Must Earnestly Contend For The Faith-Jude 1:3