Published by Andy Neckar
P.O. Box J Hico, TX 76457
Vol. 5, Number 11, Nov.. 1999
Editor-Andy Neckar

Inside This Newsletter

2. The Christian Standing Vs the Christian State.

By Andy Neckar

Church discipline is OUT. There are very few, if any, pastors and members of the Flock that exercise church discipline. NO ONE turns flagrant "brethren" sinners over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved, anymore. (1 Cor 5:5; 1 Tim 1:20)

NO ONE is willing to follow the COMMAND to disfellowship an erring brother that refuses to repent of his error. (Matt 18:18) The church is in sad shape. The MAIN reason the church will not exercise discipline is that there is virtually NO ONE in the church that is qualified to judge "righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

Primarily, a child raised without discipline will be lacking in many essential qualities necessary to lead a moral productive life, and so it is with the Christian who is raised without responsible leadership and proper discipline when needed.

What good is the act of assembling ourselves together, (going to church) if we refuse to participate in the reasons for assembling in the first place? The MAIN reason for this lack of discipline is that the church is full of "black crows" rather than "white doves". In other words, the church is full of wolves and they are now so numerous that they fell comfortable enough to shed their sheep's clothing and parade around in their natural wolves clothing.

Let me give you an example of a "black crow" pretending to biblically counsel a fellow "black crow". There was a man on the Christian News & Views mailing list that even bought a handful of religious literature from Messengers of Christ Ministries. He appeared VERY religious. Somehow I got on this person's small mailing list to which he forwarded all his counseling messages. He specialized in counseling to homosexuals.

Again, somehow I received an e-mail letter that this person sent to David Cloud in response to an article Cloud had sent out titled "Assurance of Salvation". This "Christian" counselor talked of "getting saved" at the age of 8 in a Southern Baptist church. He talks of the preacher praying for him to get saved and how he was baptized the following week and about how over the past 16 years he has had no change in his life and no after salvation affirming works. He talks of how the Word of God is of no comfort to him.

He talks of he, himself, having his first homosexual encounter at the age of 21. He talks of from that time on to the present, he has had sporadic "one time stands" with dozens of homosexuals. He asks Cloud if he thinks he is saved and just having a hard time or is he really a lost sinner.

I sort of felt sorry for this fellow when I first read the letter, but after so many biblical counseling ramblings coming to me from this man, I finally asked to be removed from his mailing list as I never subscribed to it.

Well--that made him mad and he showed his true colors. I sent him ONE letter asking to be removed from his mailing list and he sent me THREE in response.

His FIRST letter to me dated Nov. 2 said: "You are removed permanently. And all of the materials that you sent are in the trash. I don't deal with fakes. If you cant handle the homosexual issue, then by God, get out of the ministry.

Then later the same day he thought of more to tell me. His SECOND letter said," I WANT MY GOD (curse word) MOTHER (four letter word) MONEY BACK. I AM GOING TO GO TO COURT AND SUE YOUR MOTHER (four letter word) REAR (he used the three letter word) OFF FOR MY MONEY. GIVE IT BACK YOU (four letter word) (four letter word) SON OF A (curse word)."

He was talking of the money he sent for the literature he received. He called my mother and me every loathsome, hateful, detestable name one can even imagine.

Then I guess he kind of ran out of words to say as his THIRD letter had only this in the subject line. "you are a (bunch of curse words)"

This letter is only an example of many I receive from "Christians" on my mailing list. I even have had a Baptist pastor write me and his entire Carbon Copy mailing list asking me if I STILL beat my wife. WHY would he ask that insinuating question? Because he was mad at me for writing the "Baptist Brideism" article.

Well, back to the churches of today. What can I say? The world was allowed in the churches and now the world runs the majority of the churches, and they are inviting more of the world to come in and experience a taste of religion. This religion conforms to the people. It gives the people what they want. It tickles their ears. It prophesies "good things". It meets their "worldly" needs. It entertains them and makes them feel comfortable. The churches are full of "love" and "understanding" and "tolerance".

This is the "end-times" folks. Don't expect a revival. Expect what God said would happen. There will come a "falling away" first and "that time is here now". One by one the churches are going to hell in a breadbasket, but PRAISE GOD for those that are holding fast to the faith. There will be SOME that do, you know.

What the pastors have to do is keep the wolves out of the sheep pasture. It's bad enough dealing with the wolves that come in unawares in sheep's clothing without "inviting" the wolves into the fold.

Don't invite the "unchurched" into the CHURCH to hear the gospel. TAKE IT TO THEM. Don't revamp the services to cater to the unchurched. Don't be so anxious for numbers so you can hit them in the POCKETBOOK that you let the wolves mix with sheep. Don't you know they will crossbreed and their offspring will be WOLVES? You believe in evolution? The sheep will evolve into WOLF LIKE BEHAVIOR. The LEAVEN will leaven the WHOLE LUMP.

You want to HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD? Hit them over the HEART with the CROSS OF CHRIST. Disciple them. Have them "count the cost" of following Christ. Don "rush" them to make a "commitment" to Christ without first COUNTING THE COST. So what if your stringer of fish is not impressive to man. It will be to God. Once you hook them GOD'S WAY they will not get away. They will not go from the STRINGER to the FIRE. They will be secure in the hands of the GREAT FISHERMAN, HOOK, LINE and SINKER. AMEN??
The Christian Standing Vs the Christian State.
(Preached at Community Bible Chapel by Andy Neckar)

The Christian's standing with God through the work of the Lord Jesus Christ is forever settled. Once an enemy of God, he is now a child of God. Once at war with God he is now at peace with God.

Let us read Romans 5:1-2 "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."

Our standing with God is the position God places us in His sight because of the finished work of Jesus Christ, His Son. The believers' victory over sin does not effect his standing with God. It was Christ that gained the victory over sin in our behalf.

OUR victory over sin does not add to our standing with God and neither does OUR occasional defeat, or failure to resist the temptation to sin does not diminish out standing with God.

Our standing with God is NOT determined by what WE do. It is determined by what CHRIST did. We are given the victory that Christ gained by believing the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation. That gospel will convict the person that acknowledges it and confesses that it is true, and that conviction will bring the sinner to repentance before God, and it will bring him to faith towards the Lord Jesus Christ, and because of that his standing with God is eternally secure by the work of Christ.

Now just because our justified standing with God is eternally secure is not to be an excuse to sin. A truly saved person WILL NOT justify sin because of his secure standing before God.

The Bible speaks CLEARLY on this matter. The Epistle of James deals with this matter in detail.

Now what a believer has to do is recognize the difference between his STANDING before God and his present STATE.

The believers standing is secure and unchanging, but his state changes day by day.

The believers' state is the daily living out of the Christian life in which he stands. Our Christian state of walk does not compare with our Christian standing.

Our standing is perfect, but out state is imperfect. Additional perfection cannot be added to our standing. NOTHING can be added to the work of Christ wherein we stand, but MUCH is to be desired of our state.

The state of the flesh is detestable. Spiritual failure, sin, and disobedience are all common to our state. We should never be satisfied with our state. The Christian should always be trying to rise our state to the level of our standing in Christ. This is called the Christian walk.

While trying to raise our state to the level of our standing we should be careful to not allow our state to doubt our standing. This can be easily done. A Christian can be brought to the conclusion that "all is lost" and therefore stop trying to live a godly like at all.

Many believers have resorted to prayer and fasting and a rigorous disciplining of the flesh only to find that the flesh is unyielding. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven. This body of flesh must be destroyed and changed to get to heaven.

See-those who cannot discern sanctification and justification have the problem of thinking that the believer is justified in Christ and so his standing is secure but that his state needs sanctification in this life.

We have been justified in the sight of God as we read in Romans 5:1-2 and now let us read about our sanctification

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

1 Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The believers' state has no bearing on his standing. You see, our spirits and our souls are justified and sanctified already. Our bodies are in a different state though.

When we die our spirits and our souls will enter the presence of God but our degenerate bodies will suffer corruption never to rise again. A body will be resurrected one day but it will be changed. It will be a new, born again body.

Then and only then will our state be justified and sanctified. Christ will do this when He comes again and no sooner. There is NOTHING we can do to justify or sanctify our state although we are told to work at it.

We are to work out the salvation of our bodies and bring them under subjection in fear and trembling.

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1 Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

The devil will try and make us doubt our salvation and take our eyes off Christ because of out state. ANYTHING to get our focus off Jesus and directed back towards ourselves again. Satan want us to focus on what we are in the flesh rather than what we are in Christ.

The devil knows he cannot take us out of our Father's hand, but he also knows that he can take away some of the glory that would come to God should the believer be convinced of his salvation through the work of Christ.

You see-out standing can never be established on a process of improving the flesh. God cannot make the flesh acceptable to Himself, so why should we think we can.?

Let us read Romans 8:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

The flesh has been disqualified. It is worthless for God's purposes. Our standing is established upon our new life in Christ and that standing in Christ is based on God's grace. It is not based on what we are in the flesh but on what we are in Christ.

It is NOT on what we are doing, but on what Christ has already done. It is NOT what WE think of ourselves but what CHRIST thinks of us that matters where our salvation is concerned.

The apostle John speaks of a heart that can falsely condemn a believer.

I Jn 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

God knows things our heart does not know.

1 John 3:21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

We have confidence toward God and He gets the glory.


JEWS CAN'T BE FOR JESUS? Say that again!
Lycos, Inc., announced in August that it will no longer permit Jews for Jesus to advertise. Jews for Jesus paid $1,700 for an Internet advertisement, which began running in July. When individuals typed in Jewish on the Lycos search engine, the group's ad popped up promoting a book that declares Jesus the Messiah. Diane Kolb, associate director of the Anti-Defamation League, complained in an Associated Press interview, "Jews can't be for Jesus" (National Liberty Journal, 9/99).

[Editor] I thought it was bad when the local newspaper publisher wouldn't print a letter to the Editor at one time. The Internet search engines carry much power.

Charisma's editor, J. Lee Grady, opens the September issue with a call to Christians to be "ready to rock 'n' roll." He warns that the "stuffy, judgmental attitude" of conservative Christians who rejected the dress and music styles of the Jesus Movement in the 1960s is "still lurking in our churches."

"I believe we're on the verge of another youth awakening," Grady believes. "Many of the kids who will come to our altars during this next revival will be wearing dark trench coats and black lipstick; they might have nose rings, pierced tongues and metal studs in their eyebrows; they might have orange or blue hair.

We must speak the message of Christ in their language, and sing it in a musical style they can relate to."

[Editor] Yes, there are still some conservatives "lurking" in the churches of the "world", but the Lord is calling them out.

2 Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

And they WILL come out if they be His people. If they stay it will be because they are not "of us".

I Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The churches are going out from us believers and we are told to go out from them. Folks--this is called "Biblical Separation". Go on--say it. It's not a BAD WORD. DO IT!
Denton Lotz, general secretary of the Baptist World Alliance, has called for a change in attitude toward the charismatic movement. Lotz said the sheer number of Christians classified as charismatic, more than 500 million, should stir attention among Baptists. He urged Baptists to refrain from an attitude of "ambivalence" toward the charismatic movement. "We need to get over our hang-up with the use of the word of 'charismatic' and deal with the content of the matter," Lotz said in an address in July. "The fact is, it was a rediscovery of the power and work of the Holy Spirit that brought this movement into being, whatever its name. Therefore Baptist theologians and students need to take seriously the work of the Holy Spirit" (Charisma, 10/99; Foundation, 9-10/99).

[Editor] The Southern Baptist Convention and all her affiliate churches support this apostate alliance financially and by association. At last count there were 40,870 SBC churches with 15,729,356 members belonging to this ecumenical alliance.

The SBC will be another UMC before long folks. Mark this down.

The Boy Scouts should change its policy of excluding homosexuals, the United Methodist Church's social action agency says. The UMC is the country's largest sponsor of Boy Scout troops, hosting 11,738 units that account for 421,579 boys, United Methodist News Service said.

The denomination would like to "enthusiastically affirm and encourage this continuing partnership of the church and scouting" but cannot because of "discrimination against gays" that conflicts with the church's Social Principles, the United Methodist Board of Church and Society said during its Oct. 7-10 meeting. (Religion Today 10/15/99)

[Editor] I say thank God if the UMC will NEVER again allow the BSA to meet in their facilities. The BSA will be much better off if the UMC should break ties with them permanently.

The UMC has no loyalty to the Christian faith whatsoever. The Roman Catholic Church has better secular morals, and I believe the UMC is the most disgusting of the two evils. I pray for God's people in this denomination if there be any, and as for the rest of these unrepentant rejecters of God's Word and therefore Christ rejecters, I can only say what Christ Himself said of people like them if they remain unrepentant. "TO HELL WITH 'EM". (Matt 7:22; Luke 13:27)

Mel White, a gay activist from Laguna Woods, Calif., will travel to Lynchburg, Va., this weekend to "break bread not heads" with Jerry Falwell. The two "ministers" are calling the event an anti-violence forum which will be an attempt to tone down the rhetoric on both sides of the homosexual issue, which they both agree has gotten out of hand.

White is co-chairman of Soulforce, a national ecumenical group based in Orange County that battles hate crimes. He is bringing 200 gay men and women to the 90-minute round-table discussion. Falwell has invited a like number from his Thomas Road Church, one of the largest Baptist churches in the country, as well as faculty from Liberty University, the school he founded. The two groups also will attend church together at Falwell's sanctuary and help build and finance a Habitat for Humanity house. Soulforce will donate goods to the Lynchburg food bank and help clean up a blighted area of town. (Ft. Worth Star Telegram -10/21/99)

According to a Television interview between Jerry & Mel, Jerry Falwell said that at the upcoming meeting they (Jerry & his group) will try and love the sinner more than they hate the sin. Mel White said that he knows Jerry is misinformed about the teachings of the Bible. He said that he and his 200 followers will be there to "pursue Jerry lovingly and truthfully until not only does the rhetoric change, but until that moment that he discovers that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people are God's children too" [Editor] I don't really care what Jerry Falwell feels about "gays" as he publicly calls them, THIS is giving the "Christian Community" the appearance of tolerance. The Bible, and that is God's Word now, not Jerry's, tells us to "preach the gospel of Christ" to them, and "preaching the gospel" IS NOT a two day gathering of 400 people to DEBATE and listen to BOTH SIDES.

We are not to fellowship with unbelievers and preach the gospel to them and then give them THEIR TURN to preach a FALSE GOSPEL to us. Do you know which lump will be leavened because of this gathering, this unscriptural mixing of Light & Darkness, righteousness with unrighteousness, ect?

Light & Righteousness will be the lump leavened. I know cause God told me so. He says a LITTLE leaven leavened the WHOLE LUMP. What do you think 50% leaven will do to the lump? Destroy it? I believe so.

Matt 16:11-12 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Jerry Falwell and his people do not heed Christ's command to beware of the leaven of Mel White and these 200 homosexuals. They are going to meet together for two days and a good part of that time will be spent listening to the doctrine of the abominable Homo's.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

1 Cor 5:7 Speaks of purging the man living with his Father's wife. This would be to remove-get rid of-exclude-do away with-get rid of this man.

1 Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

2 Cor 6:14-16 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Do you know why God calls this an "unequal yoke"? You may say ole Jerry's gonna have as many "righteousness" as there will be "unrighteousness", and that sounds 'bout even to me. BUT-ERROR will win out over TRUTH is what God says. ERROR in the world outnumbers TRUTH in the world and so therefore TRUTH is not an equal to ERROR. It takes ONLY A LITTLE ERROR to leaven MUCH TRUTH. See-God knows what He's talking about, and I for one agree with Him.

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